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CNN’s Anderson Cooper broke down and was briefly moved to tears during a poignant discussion about grief and suffering with Late Show host and devout Catholic Stephen Colbert.

Cooper’s mother, fashion icon and artist Gloria Vanderbilt, passed away last month at age 95. The pair enjoyed a famously close relationship and Cooper offered up a moving memorial to her on his show just days after she died.

During his wide-ranging and surprisingly philosophical hour-long interview with Colbert, the CNN host at one point noted that Colbert wrote him a letter after his mother passed away, which said: “I hope you find peace in your grief.” And Cooper went to note that Colbert’s father died when he was just 10 years old, the same age Cooper was when his own father died. 

“There is not another time line,” Colbert said, after discussing how he handles such loss and sadness. “This is it. And the bravest thing you can do is to accept with gratitude the world as it is.”

“You told an interviewer that you have learned to, in your words, ‘love the thing that I most wish had not happened,’” Cooper said, as prelude to a question. But before he could go on, Cooper paused, clearly overwhelmed with emotion for a moment. “You went on to say,” Cooper continued, looking down at his notes, his voice cracking, “what punishments of God are not gifts. Do you really believe that?” Raising his head to look at Colbert, his eyes were clearly welling up with tears.

Colbert, sensing the fragility of the moment, kept his gaze turned aside for a moment before looking at Cooper and offering a beatific smile and saying: “Yes.”

“It’s a gift to exist. It’s a gift to exist,” Colbert said, slightly changing his emphasis in the retelling. “And with existence comes suffering. There is no escaping that. I guess I’m either a Catholic or a Buddhist when I say those things.” This elicited a slight chuckle from Cooper.

“It doesn’t mean you’re happy about it,” Cooper interjected.

“I don’t want it to have happened, I want it to not have happened, but…” Colbert said, taking a long, deep breath. “If you are grateful for your life, which sit a positive thing to do. Not everybody is, and I’m not always. But it is the most positive thing to do. Then you have to be grateful for all of it. You can’t pick and choose what you’re grateful for. And then, so what do you get from loss? You get awareness of other people’s loss, which allows to you connect with that other person, which allows you to love more deeply and to understand what it is like to be a human being if it is true that all humans suffer.”

Watch the video above, via CNN.

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